>>> we are back live from danville, kentucky. one of the more interesting revelations out of our new nbc news poll, more than 90% of those surveyed in the big three battleground states , i'm talking about ohio, virginia , and florida say they've made up their minds before the key bait when the president was leading by larger margins. marist poll investigator further broke down those numbers this morning to my colleague, chuck todd .
>> talking about single digits having picked sides as a result of the debate and romney got the advantage there but nothing to change -- to alter the fundamental chemistry of this race. so you still have a close race. it looks a little bit like it did, as you say, before the conventions.
>> let me bring in our "news nation" political panel, former rnc chairman, michael steel , eugene robinson and chris cofenus is somewhere else . i don't know. there you are.
>> i say that a lot about chris .
>> i know you're going to get in here, chris . let me start off with you, chairman steele. you have had an entire week of substantive conversation about the debate, you've had snl chime in. you've had every variation of analysis about that debate and the polls barely moved. i think republicans --
>> i disagree. the polls moved significantly.
>> let me break it down to you. in florida the number for the race is certainly president still ahead. the only real movement we saw was virginia where governor romney 's had some movement other than --
>> the president's not ahead in florida . he's ahead in ohio.
>> according to nbc news --
>> the polls have moved elsewhere around the country. tamron , i know a lot of people want to downplay.
>> i'm not downplaying it.
>> a lot of the analysts do. the reality of it is there was a significant movement in the polls as a result of last week.
>> what do you consider significant?
>> i mean, look, the general -- the general notion that, you know, romney and obama stood on the stage, the president effectively blinked, did not push back, that had an affect on a lot of voters apparently as we've seen in the numbers. to the point that was made about people having made up their mind before the debate, unless they voted already, that doesn't mean anything to me because just because you've made your mind up before you witness something and experience something doesn't mean your mind won't change as a result of what you witnessed or experienced.
>> but we're not -- under that geist of what you're saying, they've made their minds up before the debate after the debate.
>> what kind of shift are you looking for, 10, 20 point swing.
>> you're the republican.
>> i'll take one a day.
>> mitt romney was on the campaign trail. mitt romney , governor romney , was on the campaign trail reveling rightly so he in his debate performance. i don't think for a second his campaign or you thought the only significant change would be in virginia . what first read is saying, this is a marginal change. not a game changer and there were republicans, including chris christie --
>> clrp a whole lot of people.
>> let me finish. this would be the game changer.
>> if that's the case, tamron , why is all of the mashing and wlaling going on. if the performance could perform that badly and there's not a game change, then what's all the hype about?
>> to your point, i think, eugene , there were democrats who were nervous and they thought the polling would -- we would see a significant change in this first polling and there's not one.
>> there are democrats that are still nervous.
>> there are. i don't take that away.
>> they are encouraged to see that the bottom has not fallen out. the dynamics of the race are basically what they were before the conventions except romney has edged up in some places on the continuum.
>> absolutely.
>> it's a significant change from the debate that if you recall, before the debate it looked like romney had fallen to the floor. it looked like this wasn't even going to be a close election .
>> i think we're having mic trouble with you. i'm being told that we cannot hear you for some reason. i think michael steele cut your mic on purpose. let me go to chris cofenus while we work on eugene 's rigged mic by michael steele .
>> if i had that kind of power i'd still be rnc chairman.
>> you still have power. let me get you in on this, chris . michael steele seems to believe that the categorization that this was marginal or the bump came and went, either i'm misspeaking or there's wrong analysis there. what is your take? i know that's a softball. you're going to see a rose i err side being a democratic strategist.
>> no, i'll be pretty realistic. i think this is a very close race. there's a lot of instability against the 8, 10% of people who may still make up their minds. i think to what extent the romney bump out of that debate was going to happen, i think it was muted or mitigated by the unemployment numbers that came out on friday. i think that was a significant kind of like wet blanket, if you will, on the republican debate and romney 's performance. so kind of going into i think tonight's debate and going into the remaining debates, i think voters are going to be -- especially the ones undecided or the soft leaners, they're going to be watching the debate performances with a very critical eye. i think this is both campaigns have a chance to win this or lose it depending on what they do.
>> right. absolutely.
>> i agree with that.
>> i think anyone would be foolish to say they know who would win this. nonetheless, i'll get both of your thoughts on this. today jobless claims , 309,000. that is down 30,000. the lowest level since february 2008 . joe scarborough said this is good news here.
>> there's going to be conspiracy theories , i'm sure. but, no, that's more good news on the employment front. again, it helps void the president's chances. this is going to be a real horse race , i think, to the end now so tonight's debate's going to be important. next tuesday's debate is going to be more important. i mean, it's going to escalate rather than tail off, i think, as we go towards the election day .
>> i agree with you, tamron , on the jobs numbers. we're happy to see those numbers quite honestly. as american citizens after four long years, it's good to see americans getting back to work. it's good to see employers taking the risk. let's not fool ourselves into thinking we've turned a big corner. there are a significant number of americans who are under employed or unemployed. the romney people have to talk about how they are going to do things differently. i think that's part of the discussion tonight.
>> but the basic argument that president obama 's trying to make is that, no, things aren't perfect but they're getting better and there's polling that suggests that most americans or certainly a whole lot more americans --
>> today believe things are getting better .
>> essentially believe that.
>> quickly, chris . let me get you in. something else this administration will perhaps have to answer forgiven that this debate will address domestic and foreign policy is the situation in libya and the ongoing investigation from the congressional hearing we saw yesterday split along partisan line. i want to play what the president just said in a recent interview regarding the development in libya and his administration's handling of that situation.
>> as information came in, information was put out. the information may not have always been right the first time. these are people i know , and if there's something to be fixed, it'll get fixed.
>> it will get fixed but lives were lost, chris cofenus.
>> yeah. listen, this is a tough one, i think, for the administration. when something like this happens, i mean, i think the key answer here is you be very direct, you be very, you know, open in terms of, you know, what you knew, what you said. and once we got more information we made it very clear to the american people . listen, i know that republicans and others want to paint some kind of conspiracy and cover up. think of it logically. why would anyone want to try to do this in the middle of an election year? do you think it's good for us? the reality is sometimes in volatile situation this is is how it happens. as events change and facts change you tell them again what you now know. i think you've got to be very direct about it.
>> yeah, but in being direct, eugene , chuck todd brought it up this morning, you will admit to one of two things. one of them being possibly that there was a security failure despite possible red flags . and this could come up tonight. so what does joe biden say to the questions regarding the breakdown in libya ?
>> about a security failure he'll say if there was one, there shouldn't have been. and it was a mistake and we'll find out who's responsible and we'll correct it. he might point out that the administration sought more funds for state department security worldwide and republicans weren't willing to go along with that. so, you know, i think i would point that out. but it's really not a time for partisan sniping. a u.s. ambassador was killed, u.s. diplomatic compound was overrun.
>> there was a legitimate question or questions that can be asked.
>> there are legitimate questions.
>> that are not partisan.
>> we want to know what happened and we want to make sure it doesn't happen again.
>> while the vice president may be on the hot seat for that, you've got congressman ryan just last night i watched an interview with senator ran paul who said he is taking, if you will, romney to the wood shed on wanting to spend more on defense budget , on wanting to perhaps be more active in syria. he you the ut terd the same line we've heard. the notion of dumping more money into defense and also at least giving a veiled threat of more action in syria is enough to scare a lot of people who are war weary and sick of it.
>> agree. i think rand paul reflects that sentiment inside and outside of the party. there are more traditional republicans going back 30, 40 years of looking at these things more objectively, looking at the costs and all of that. that's going to be an ongoing battle. i think tonight to your point, gene, that what the congressman has to do is not jump on this whole issue in a way that comes off partisan keeping in mind your point that a life -- many lives were lost, four lives were lost, and that to be sober in challenging the administration's position.
>> that particularly --
>> >> is smarter politics.
>> particularly important for him.
>> and it's even important because the man at the top of the ticket has criticized the foreign policy of the obama administration but through all accounts and by all accounts has not given specifics on his foreign policy . so beyond libya and any criticism, if you criticize you've got to --
>> some good points back by joeb.
>> what is your plan?
>> tense-filled moment.
>> yes, chris .
>> tamron , you hit it right on the head. vice president biden, what he's got to do is really hold congressman ryan's feet to the fire. he's got to make him answer the questions that they have not had to answer and they didn't answer in the first presidential debate . really put him on the defensive about it and don't let it go. you'll know how this debate is going within the first five, ten minutes in terms of how vice president biden comes out.
>> all right. thank you very much. chris kofinis, mr. steele, someone said gene. i feel like the luckiest woman in the world.
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